Jul 16

I recently read a post “Why I love Roth IRAs” in which the author ignores much of the math going in and coming out. Now, I love Roths myself, but only when used to take most advantage of the tax rates involved. Let me explain. From my feature article earlier this year titled “Can you save too much, pre-tax?” we see that a couple with $447,500 in their 401(k) or Traditional, Pre-Tax IRA, can take withdrawals and remain in the 0% bracket. This is due to the combination of standard deductions and exemptions. The next $401,250 will support withdrawals at the 10% rate.
If you have a defined benefit pension (a traditional pension) the numbers certainly will shift, and you need to take this income into account. Pensions are getting more scarce and those who frequently changed jobs are likely to have never vested into any one plan.
So, now I’ll ask, what percent of retirees are likely to have saved this sum, a total $848,750 from the numbers above? I cite an article from AARP titled 2004-05 Boomers which offers a forecast. One chart in this report offers that for those born in 1956-65, their mean (this means average, important distinction from median, middle) wealth is forecast to be $839K. But reading on, we find that after subtracting non-retirement wealth and present value of Social Security benefits, we are looking at a retirement account balance of just $140K. It turns out the 4th quintile (this is the second 20% from the top) is forecast to have $906K, this scales to about $151K in retirement accounts. Even the top quintile (top 20%) will average $2028K total wealth, with maybe $350K-$400K in retirement accounts. So it’s only the upper portion of that group (in addition to those with fat traditional pensions) that need to consider the Roth while working. For the rest of us, we will likely be in the 10% or if fortunate, the 15% bracket upon retiring.
I’ll close with this thought – each family has their own set of numbers. This is why if you write in to a web site or magazine and ask “Is Roth good for me?”, it’s impossible to answer without knowing many details. We know more the closer you are to retirement, but only have a series of clues the further away you are. Another blog “The Finance Buff” offers a view similar to mine. I remain surprised at how many wave the Roth flag without some level of analysis. For those who have access to a Roth 401(k) and Roth IRA, it would be a shame to load those up and find that they missed out on the tax savings that pretax savings could have provided.

Joe

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3 Responses to “Loving That Roth?”

  1. 2010 Traditional IRA to Roth IRA Conversion Tax Rules Says:

    [...] Special Thanks to Joe from Joe Taxpayer. It was his comments that inspired me to write this post. Check out one of his posts on the Roth IRA. [...]

  2. Steve Paredes Says:

    Question for the reader’s of this excelent blog. Given the unique opportunity re Roth IRA conversion in 2010 for upper income infividuals. What is the proper income tax treatment for a 2010 Traditional IRA contribution that is converted into Roth IRA later during the same year. The 2010 Premiere Turbo tax software seems indicate that 2010 Traditional IRA contributions converted to a Roth in 2010 are considered as “recharacterized.” TurboTax seems to treat recharacterizations the same as direct contributions to a Roth. Unfortunately, the income limitation still applies to contributions, thus making re-characterizations of 2010 traditional IRA contributions to Roth to be deemed “excess contributions.” Is this correct? Does anyone have insight into this matter?

  3. JOE Says:

    No, it should look like a deposit and a conversion. There are a number of reasons for this, one of which is you need to include all your IRA funds when figuring how much tax to pay upon converting.

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